And so should British Prime Minister David Cameron be interested as after all the country that he is leading is in part responsible for the debacle in Cyprus.

If he plays his cards right he may go down in history as the Prime Minister of Britain who was in office when finally the North was united with the South.

The alternative is to go down in history with the rest of the no hoping British bludgers since 1974.

BBC
David Cameron is to argue strongly for Turkey's membership of the European Union, saying he is "angry" at the slow pace of negotiations.

On his first visit to Turkey as prime minister, Mr Cameron will say he will "fight" for Turkey's bid to join the EU and to become a "great European power".

North London electrician, I dont think so. I told you she is a fat trannie from Haringey.

Did you read Camerons speech today see BBC on Turkeys EU entry

Get rid of Downer and bring in a seasoned American dominatrix.
While she's relaxing she can sort out your puerile bunch of comment posters.

Look at the sames of these morons! Clunk, Bung, Triksey. LOL!!!

Christopher,

CENK nailed You,

You been in hiding till this time,

I think you are finished Check all the posts, ps Best ask Mom first !!!

you are a Silly billy HaSSan the Sparkie

to be honest logica, the proposal seems fair. if the concerned region had been developed & money had been spent there, then i can understand why the t.cyps wouldnt wanna give it back. but the place is a ghost town, sealed off, and not habitable. more so, it would cost possibly hundreds of millions of pounds (maybe even billions) to make it habitable so it seems like a fair swap.

i proposed that some of the bloggers here, who live in cyprus, could meet for a drink at a bar in ledra street, at which point he wrote back saying he'd love to smash my head on a wall or something. he claimed that he never met an irish man he couldnt knock out in 10 seconds flat!!! i accepted his challange an havent heard from him since. i think he's never met an irish man.

i really cant imagine him being in his 50's. i cant picture a man of that age writing such dribble.

Oh just perfect Christopher Put your mummy on !!!! She can tell you off later !!

I think christoph is someone called andy and lives in edgware with his family he is about in his early fiftys.

if i hear of an electrical fire breaking out in north london, i'll know whose to blame!

The scotsman demonstrates once again he's the forum's greatest WHINER. LOL

Terry,

you are Very Quiet now Are really a Canadian ??? You got to remember this Is Banana Land the ROC

The Achievements Since 1960 Are amazing

1. Lost 38 % of ther land

2. Had there own civil War

3, Created the most Corrupt Legal profession

4. The Worst Police Force in Europe.

5. Finances (Next greece)

And So much More !!!

Terry,

To help you on this there a lot of Armies here Even Your CANADIAN did you not Know ??

You See Cyprus is very important Forget the GC/TC in its location This is were We keep all our listening posts To keep the middle East Observed.

Plus You Got To Remember Us British We are a Significant Minority on the Island We have by or Rights Two Sections of the Island.

The mainland Greeks have there Troops here, So yo Cannuks Also have Soldiers here in Cyprus you use paphos as R & R from Afghanistan Same as We Brits.

To Your Quesation the Turkish Army Should leave WHY ??

Do you Want rest to leave ie NG, British Army, Canadian Army, Greece Army Etc

What Would that Achieve ?? You Got to remember the ROC Is the Home of Russian Mafia Black money Estimated at One Billion $$$ a month, Remember The Latest Spy Scandal the Paymaster Was Caught in the ROC let go and Disappeared.

Terry this is Dodge City You are talking About !!!!

I apologise Loriot from Lapta. I did not intend to offend anyone. And I was not comparing Canada to Cyprus. Cyprus was already thousands of years old before the first European landed in Canada. It would seem that both groups do have the right to live in Cyprus. But why not be known as Cypriots?
Canadians, on the other hand, will not attempt forcably stop Quebec from separating. I can assure you no army will be deployed no matter what the voting public in Quebec decide. Thats right, they get to vote on weather or not to separate. Last vote was 48% in favor and 52% against separation. So they didn't separate.

By the way the rest of Canada still refers to the people of Quebec as Canadians.

Terry,

The UN and the rest of the World have tried for over 36 years not a chance !!
Terry to help you more

Reality

Was laid Down by the UN ie Downer (Ex Aussie FM who hosting the LAST round of talks)

That the leaders of both Sides have to lead, and tell there people the truth. BY NOVEMBER !!

What this means is Fact 90% of posters Will Agree With me.

Cyprus Is a Island With TWO STATES both Will be reconized by the EU
and UN.

And thats the End of it !!! (Oh Terry forgot to mention the ROC is very Corrupt over 130000 Houses Without Title Deeds, Police Force Corrupt, The Lawyers in particular paphos are Subject to a EU Investigation, property developers have been borrowing up to 7 Billion on Houses they Sold The ROC GDP is about 17 billion)

And i live in the South We call it La la land, The Attorney general he a Cutie he Declared property fraud is not Criminal, And the Police Say Forgery is not A crime in Cyprus

Wellcome to Cyprus !!!!

Terry,

I think you from your post Stay In Canada and ot of this.

This place is Worse then the Balkans With Ancient hatreds bouncing up every two minutes.

74 Was Sampson a Cypriot taking power from Makrios a cypriot, They Started mrdering All including TCs Complicated.

Then you can Add in 63 etc and on and On

Could be ??

But Your Saying Has relevance to Perthshire my home County When The Clan MacGregor had there name proscribed, So if you are lucky to Visit Perthshire

You Find Kettles, Irons, Swords, Knife family names.

JT Should learn his manners When Addressing a fellow Poster ie Emir

Simple as that Ignorance goes with Bad manners !!!

james, isn't that generally known as the "pot calling the kettle black"

soler the dog the stock exchange hit record heights, this is what happened in the ROC and then what it collapsed, if you think turkey is the be all and end all go live there, its a well known fact that you are a traitor anyway...

soler the dog, its high time you woke up from your dreams, turkey will give you up like an adopted baby.....
loriot you cretin, why do you try and sooth yourself with false expectations, your real thoughts are at the knife's edge by hoping and begging to be sucked into turkey's arms. this wont happena s turkey's superiors wont allow it.
bidi is still at it trying to examine evrybody's grammar, go learn to read and write before you examine others skills.

Loriet,

ok Sneaky buggers With Split personalities !!!

Christopher back to old game posting as HaSSan, Marcus etc, you never know he Could Also be John Alexander And michaelA as Well !!

Bambouin from Planet,

You are right it is not My Post on English School, With Christopher posting Straight After it, Seems He Enjoys This Have to Agree With Loriot They are a Fringe,

Shame because Dialog produces A level of understandings from all Sides.

bambouin

Thank you Yes its not my posting What Christopher going to try next ??? on other postings he Wants my House Knocked Down, Etc

To be very Honest His Postings Are a Disgrace, What he And John Alexander Marcus, michaelA Do not understand they Damage Any person posting in Favor of Sa GCs

A Lunatic Fringe !!!

Christophini you really ned to get some therapy! You seem to hate everyone Turks, Irish, English even your own.

Your clearly delusional!

I also noticed you usd the word `Mum`in one of your postings - thats not very American. They say `Mom`. I knew you were a fraud! Why you feel tne need to pretend to be American - God Knows?

I have to say your rants and hysteria are very entertaining.

Do you support ENOSIS

Abide by international law...

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

so keep at it!

Eat your heart out Christop, jt = Jimmy Mcnulty , Niko, JA
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The Istanbul Stock Exchange’s ISE-100 Index, which broke a record with 59,919 points Thursday, closed Friday at 59,299, falling from an intra-day record of 60,141 points.
The record-breaking performance was attributed to the positive atmosphere in the global markets, positive expectations on European bank stress tests, the possibility of an increase in Turkey’s sovereign credit rating and most of all, foreign investor interest in the bourse.
The total trading volume Friday was 1.7 billion Turkish Liras, while the benchmark index shed 1.03 percent, largely due to profit selling. The ISE-100 gained 2.7 percent during the week.

Christoph@
Do you know? You are the biggest wanker I've ever come a cross.
Can you tell us bit of Greeks finances, which turn EU upside down, Tell us something about Greece been under control of Germany? And will be control by Germany for next 15 years.
Mind you Greeks always had been under control of others.
You must be an abundant child from a Turkish father.
If it wasn’t to Ottoman Turks, Greek nation would have been extinct.
It is official, %10 of the Greeks are “jaffa”
That’s why population is still 10 million and going down.

Jimmy,

Christopher, Sheds a new LIGHT on the Cyprob, he very Iluminating, if you pardon the pun.

He is a pain I Agree, Who by his postings inflames hatreds, Kindness to Such a bitter person Is A Waste of time.

chris you wouldnt be able to make it mate, no infants are allowed in bars. maybe if u came with your mummy, then perhaps

Christoph from USA...or wherever...you are really getting under my skin now with your childish and vitriolic posts. One thing though..."they don't allow facist nations to enter"...oh, really. Perhaps the you'd like to explain how Greece and Cyprus were allowed to join the club.

Christoph,

You never been to Turkmenistan You are Ignorant of the Country Cheleken, Turkmenbashi etc

Terrible They have So much Gas & Oil reserves, With All the Western Oil Companies there, You can Even Fly there Lufthansa From frankfurt.

You just not on Your Game to-Night. Take the Asprins

Dibi, no need to get offended just because I noted that Turkey is used to getting it's face slapped! Lets look at some recent events:

1. Israelis slap Turkey's face over Mavi Marmara-apology and compensation still awaiting. LOL
2. Hillary Clinton tells FM Davutoglu to 'butt out' of Iranian nuclear debate.
3. Armenian talks at a standstill because Armenian government is playing Davutoglu for a sucker.
4. Davutoglu meets with Hamas leader while demanding EU nations hand over PKK terrorists-how's that for stupid?!
5. PKK continues to own Turkey's butt in eastern Anatolia.
6. Turkey's EU accession is frozen solid, due to their own thickheadedness.
7. Syria, Turkey's new BFF has told the Israelis it no longer wants or needs Turkey's involvement in discussions.

Slappity, slap, slap, slap!!! It just keeps on getting better every day!!

No, not shopping. Actually I'm engaged in my yardwork. Run outside and cut the lawn, come inside and make a few Turks look like idiots. Go outside and trim my hedges, come inside and make EU/Dibi/EE/Loriot look like chimpanzees. Lots of smiles!

Oh the Black tee Shirt with Faded jeans look !!!

Christopher,

You are rattled, Whats Wrong not have a good dinner, try a Asprin or Something.

Some postings you Done to-day, All over the Shop, never mind You Can join the ELAM boys up in the Hills on Summer Camp.

Christoph you haven't mentioned your shopping trips with JLO today.
Ohhh.....girlfriend!

Besides, VETOing Turkey is just plain fun! It's like a daily slap in the face for old Erdogan and Davutoglu. Slap. Slap. Slap...lol

Hellene Christoph - the EU has a constitution and qualified majority voting. The end is nigh for the VETO!

Anyway don't forget the Greeks shat themselves but Turkey saved us!

Wait till November !!!! you Already See it Happening, The EU putting The property matters into the IPC.

Plus Another problem The EU Commision set-up to Investigate the ROC Property Rackets Scam !!! The ROC is on thin ICE with the EU, To many lies and False promises to reform.

As to Greece, (you might as well call that a German province With all the Debt )

Now go and Watch some Good American Soaps

Christoph,

I am Sure soon you be able to get flights direct from the States into the TRNC, or you can Watch on TV the TRNC entering the EU !!

now be a good Boy Watch some TV

more Sob Sob Sob From Christopher,

Downer Was brave and told the truth and Facts,

That the leaders have to learn to lead and tell the Truth to the people.

Thats Why the Annan plan while not perfect was the best deal in Town. Now its dead Partition and a Two State Island is the only way left.

So christopher you can keep Sobbing blaming the World And Anybody!!

So best Spit the Dummy out

Downer got this job because he's a US lackey, who as Australian FM reportedly suppressed information in that Iraq lacked WMD capability. He went along with the US Necons desire to invade Iraq regardless that the information showed they were no threat to anyone. He showed in this case as well as others that he'd do as he was told.

The criminal nation Turkey is not voluntarily giving back what it has stolen. What a big surprise.

Yes. Of course Downer's a pawn of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, Australian Chihuahua Society, Peruvian Guinea Pig Defence League and Stalin and Pol Pot Apreciation Societies.

Even if the UN sent someone from Russia (apparently a so-called 'friend' of Cyprus, even with the reciprocral trade between Russia and Turkey worth billions, the Russian pipeline and 20 billion euro power station being built on the 'Terrible Turk's' territory), it matters not as whoever comes here is always ripped to shreds. The one good thing is that Downer is the last of the species and then it'll be Good Night Vienna.
However, when the Russian President comes here shortly, he ought to bring a posse of Russian diplomats and despite the inherent paranoia that they'll encounter here, perhaps they can have a crack at solving the Cyprus Problem. After all, they ARE Cyprus' REAL friend, aren't they?

If THEY failed, then everyone on this sceptred isle can really indulge in their favourite pastime of nonsensical bickering and fantasizing and add the Russians to their ever lengthening list of bogey men; they would also have run out of 'friends'. The rest of the world would be free at last. Hallelujah!

Here is the truth we don’t like to know:

Every comment here tells me likelihood of living together is no longer possible. We all know this but GC doesn’t like this. TC likes to get on and live in peace.
The truth is Cyprus now slipped out of our hands due to greedy Bishop with political motives. We no longer are Cypriots of the past. We all turned in to different pedigree. If we were dogs we would be all Mongrels.

Turkish people lived under embargoes and isolation due to Greek unfairness and domination. Turkish Cypriot has been denied their constitutional rights for last 50+ years because they were borne in to Turkish family.
Finally there has been a Green Line and peace last 36 years without getting shoot at or killed by extremist on booth sides.

No one any longer wish to united and be part of community they don’t get along with or dont trust.
We have to push on and get on living the future and forget and forgive the past.

There will not be Germanys or Irelands like peace here in Cyprus or neither it’s possible. Our predicament are different to them. Lets stop fooling our self’s.

GC will have their Enosis’ joining with mother Greece (this was the master plan all along) or better, there big brothers EU. One big happy Christian family.

TC will have their Taksim.

As for properties of GC or TC will be switched for equal or compensated some way or another or this could be something similar.
And every one will live happy ever after.

This is the end of story…

So Downer is Now a UK/US pawn etc etc 36 years on the Same Excuse is brought up from GCs because they cannot get there own Way !!!!

It Does not Work Any longer, Downer was brave Stating the truth, Your leaders have to learn how to lead and tell the People the Truth !!!

The Annan plan was the real Chance of a One State Island, Its Gone So a Two State Island with Equal Rights and Status will Happen it Does not matter how much Anybody complains etc.

Blame your Own leaders who have failed the People !!!

Bad comparison, Pete! Germans had no differences, they were cut off from one another by the Russian victors of WWII.
Nothing to do with Cyprus.

How very very sad. Historian from Paphos is right.
I am a Greek Cypriot from the North now living in Limassol periodically working mainly in UK. I lived through the 50's, 60's and 70's but do get the impression that most comments on these pages on this kind of subject are posted by individuals who have no first hand knowledge of the times, are probably relying on information or misinformation passed down by relatives, friends and school indoctrination and are possibly remote in far away lands.
Everybody appears to hear what the other has to say but no one actually listens; preferring it seems to live in denial.
Both sides have made mistakes, that is undeniable, the constant thorn of property is two sided (we have family living in Turkish Cypriot property - with their blessing & permission, who actually visit every few years to socialise & reminisce).
Everybody has lost out but the only way it can be solved is for the people involved to get together, admit the past, recognise the wrongdoing on both sides and move forward.
I have eighty nine and a half skales in the North together with a House. I have rebuilt my life (I am one of the fortunates) but I do realise that there are no pockets in Shrouds. I am at the end of my life cycle & wanted to pass on in the knowledge that the Turkish Cypriot friends we used to play with as Children while our parents worked together, have grandchildren who can again play with my grandchildren.
Sadly it may be that the influence of others from around the Globe bearing either a Turkish or Greek flag, not a Cypriot flag, is too great and therefore the two sides must be parted.
If this comes to pass both sides will suffer beyond their wildest fears in years to come, the exact opposite of the wealth, prosperity and development that they expect would happen. Initially of course things will appear great & worthwhile then the rot will begin.
I am just glad I will probably not be here to see it but I do fear for our children's Children.

AussieHellene from Melbourne

"He (Downer) cruised into the PM's slot on a lark and did basically nothing during his term."

"He was a lousy PM and I'm sure he'll be a lousy facilitator for the talks."

Could you please tell us when Downer was PM?

Well one things for sure if your comments are anything to go by there ain`t ever going to be a solution ..all you do is shout at each other,quote selected issues and never hear a word the others say. Grow up, the past isn`t going to change if there is any hope then "HEAR" whats being said then compromise.

Christoph, are you still planning to retire to Girne?
If I do come a cross you, promise to buy you a bottle of EFES, so we can drink it under a Turkish flag.

When are you going to turn over the killers of Solomos Solomou and Tassos Isaak, Emir Soler? If your'e so concerned about human rights you should hand over those criminals. Why does Turkey protect murderers in north Cyprus?

I think we struck a nerve with Emir Soler when we accused Turkey of being a criminal government. But it IS a criminal government. The UN as clearly ruled the invasion and occupation of north Cyprus illegal and in violation of international law. Turkey is a pariah government, nobody has any respect for their adherence to laws and conventions.

When you ask a hundred non-Turks what they think of when they hear the word 'Turkey' the first thing to pop into their heads will not be 'law abiding nation', 'ethical nation', 'tolerant nation' or 'human rights respecting nation'. Way it is, folks. You live and die on your reputation and Turkey's reputation is based on law breaking, human rights violations and lack of respect for minority groups. As Hrant Dink what he thinks of human rights in Turkey, but you're going to have to speak VERY loud!

World must know,true face of Greek Cypriots.
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In Haravgi (GCASC) newspaper of March 22, 2001 reported that during the training of the Greek Cypriot National Guard (GCNG) slogans such as “All Turks must be shovelled to the sea” were uttered; and that in reply to a question of a Greek Cypriot inquiring the reason of such slogans, a GCNG officer answered: “Don’t worry, we will anyhow kill all the Turks”.

- In an interview by Politis (GCASC) newspaper of March 17, 2001 with the Commander of GCNG, Lieutenant General Florakis indicated that the objective of the GCNG is not only defending the South but also “saving the territories in the North Cyprus”.

World must know the true facts of Cyprus:
Greek Cyprus desire for Enosis was the start of Cyprus problems in 1960's.
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Extermination of Turkish Cypriots was started Eoka terrorist for the name of Enosis union with Greece.
Cyprus is not a Greek island, never been part of Greece.
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Don't be fooled by Greek propaganda.

Here are the few World press cuttings from 1960's during the mass killings of minority Turkish Cypriots.
Washington Post 1964
In his memoirs, American Undersecretary of State George Ball said: “Makarios’s central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily massacring Turkish Cypriots. Obviously we would never permit that. “The fact is, however, that neither the United Nations, nor anyone, other than Turkey ever took effective action to prevent it. On Feb. 17, 1964 the Washington Post reported that “Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide.”
‘’’’’’’’
UK Times 1964
Former British Prime Minister Sir Alec Douglas-Home said, “I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.”
‘’’’’’’’
“... Greek cruelties in Cyprus: Greeks have started an attack on the areas where the Turks are living. The Turks are trying to escape from the Greek attacks, 25,000 Turks have already been forced to leave their homes ....”
Daily Express 28 December 1963.

‘’’’’’’
“.... Archbishop Makarios, robed and bearded cleric who serves as President of Cyprus, has Byzantine talent for equitation.... His government deliberately provoked the clashes and is bent upon the extermination of Turkish population...
Robert H. Estabrooh Washington Post
16 - 2 - 1964

‘’’’’’’
Turkish Cypriots taken prisoner and later shot in the head by Greek and Greek Cypriot gunmen.
“... If Turkish Army has not already landed reinforcements to its Treaty Force in Cyprus, that is simply proof of patience of Turkey. Its right to do so cannot be denied. If international treaties mean anything, Turkey can protect the Turkish Cypriot minority from further massacre."
Daily Telegraph 15/02/1964.

Endless Killings for the name of ENOSIS

A pr exercise not unlike the so called stress test...

You Greeks keep on complaining. Nobody listens or cares. Might makes right in this world and possession is nine tenths of the law. You started the fight on Cyprus, we ended it. As for the UN, Ha! Who cares what they say or do? Does the UN do anything when America bombs civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan? So they won't do anything against our military on Cyprus. The UN is a club for endless talking, never doing anything. PM Erdogan correctly predicted they are nothing but a debate society-will do nothing. Ever.

"Eroglu, despite his nationalist mantle, was committed to the UN framework for talks."

Only he insists on "two states", "two sovereignty's" and maintaining the guarantor relationship. All of which violate the UN framework agreed to so far.

Why has Alex Downer not challenged him on this? Downer is a non-entity, an invisible facilitator. He just wants to get past this assignment and on to the next job. He could care less about justice being served on Cyprus. Where on earth did they find this guy? What ever convinced the UN he was the man for this job? They could put a mannequin in a seat-with a cup of coffee in his hand-and he would do as good a job.

Agreed. If we don't have a solution by the end of this year I think Cyprus should submit a request to have Turkey's EU accession formall removed from the docket at the EU. Why waste more time discussing their accession when it's clear they are far, FAR, from meeting even the baseline requirements?

What goes around, comes around. Turkey wants to be uncooperative on Cyprus, Cyprus can be uncooperative on the EU. It takes to to tango, Mr. Erdogan.

The Turks have no interest in resolution of this conflict. They stole the property from the Greek Cypriots and have no interest in giving it back. The UN has done little other than pass a few resolutions calling the occupation illegal-certainly nothing that would force Turkey to withdraw it's military. Mr. Downer just wants to wash his hands of it, he's not interested in justice. In retrospect he was a bad choice for the position.